hi guys.
i was an active member of this forum many years ago and it played an integral part of my awakening and making peace with my decision to leave.
it’s been a while since i posted here.
Hi Princess Daisy Boo - they are a nasty bunch of false Christians. I got df'd for sticking to the words of the prophet Daniel.
Someone put it to me that it is only by God's grace that people come to see through them.
They will reap what they sow. I would not dignify them by identifying them as Jehovah's Witnesses. Given their behaviour, they have no legitimate connection to the God of Abraham.
spiritual 'pharisaical legal text' makes you 'accountable' if you attend a jw 'judicial committee'.
'regular' jw's attending a 'judicial committee' automatically and without realising it, both admit to a 'wrongdoing' and 'subject themselves' to jw .org-inisation 'elders'.. it has also been well-documented that jw .org is 'coming after long--term inactive ones, that are causing 'divisions'.. there is a greater emphasis being put on 'shunning' those labelled with 'apostate' (behaviour).. the 'slanderous' naming and shaming of (former) members who have questioned the jw.
org-inisation is relentlessly being propagated in both publications and their gatherings, such as their ironically named 'love never fails' 2019 convention.. ironically, the scriptures they often refer to such as the one at titus 3:10 the original greek word hairetikos, which is translated to the the word “heretic,.
Hi Blondie - I know one elder who openly admitted he would kill people in this system of things. He was an instructor when I attended Pioneer School and said it to me over lunch. I got up and walked away from him, I was so disgusted.
I wrote to the Bethel about him and told the CO what he had said. Result was... he's still an elder. Maybe he is still saying the same things over lunch.
their was also an article in jw`s publications wt ?
that stated that the united nations was set up as the counterfeit kingdom of god to take away emphasis from the kingdom of god by christ jesus .
this is a paraphrase of what was stated however , "the un as a counterfeit kingdom of god" was stated.
*** kj chap. 4 pp. 60-61 pars. 15-16 Commissioned to Speak in the Divine Name ***
In recommending and supporting the League of Nations as “the political expression of the Kingdom of God on earth” the Federal Council of American churches went directly contrary to the words of Jesus Christ, when on trial for his life before the Roman governor, Pontius Pilate, in 33 C.E., saying: “My kingdom does not belong to this world. If it did, my followers would be fighting to save me from arrest by the Jews. My kingly authority comes from elsewhere.” (John 18:36, New English Bible) By accepting the League of Nations as “the political expression of the Kingdom of God on earth” the members of the Federal Council of American churches were really accepting a counterfeit “Kingdom of God on earth.” Hence, twenty years later when the League of Nations was knocked out of business by the outbreak of World War II and “peace on earth, good-will toward men” were taken away, it was the counterfeit “political expression” that failed, and not the real Kingdom of God as proclaimed in the Gospel of Christ.
16 Certainly, then, back there in the postwar year of 1919 there were none among the war-guilty religious elements of Jewry and Christendom who qualified to be commissioned as the modern-day counterpart or antitype of Ezekiel. Was there no one, then, whom Jehovah could raise up to serve in a way that corresponded to that of that ancient exile in Babylon? Whom could the real “chariot” of Jehovah’s organization roll up to and confront that He might bestow upon this qualified one the commission to speak as a prophet in the name of Jehovah? Ah, there was a group whose members had suffered religious persecution during World War I at the hands of Babylon the Great, the world empire of false religion, and whose members had, in fact, come out from the religious organizations of Babylon the Great. In fact, they had refused to be a party with Christendom and with all the rest of Babylon the Great in actively taking part in carnal warfare during World War I. Who were they?
*** w58 10/15 pp. 629-630 Public Address: God’s Kingdom Rules—Is the World’s End Near? ***
COUNTERFEIT OF GOD’S KINGDOM
16 One big thing counting heavily against Christendom is its part in the United Nations, now in its thirteenth year, the international organization established in 1945 to guarantee world peace and security. When the United Nations started functioning in January of 1946, the physical properties of the dead League of Nations were turned over to the U.N. as its successor. Back in January of 1918, in the very throes of World War I, the American president, Woodrow Wilson, proposed the League of Nations. The very next month Jehovah’s witnesses, as represented by the president of the Watch Tower Bible & Tract Society, began preaching the startling message, “The World Has Ended—Millions Now Living May Never Die.” Early in the following month prominent witnesses of Jehovah began to be arrested in America for preaching God’s kingdom as the one and only hope for all mankind, and in the course of months the sentencing of them to long imprisonment followed. The issue was then plainly before the American churches of Christendom: God’s kingdom or the League of Nations—which should professing Christians choose?
the april 2019 study edition page 20 has an article on resisting wicked spirits.
it says "magic refers to practices associated with the occult, or the supernatural.
it can include curses and the casting or breaking of spells.
Using an entertaining maths conjuring trick you can make people believe Jesus returned invisibly in 1914 and chose you as his viceroy.
With a bit of further slight of word you can make out he is the planet's invisible ruler and as his viceroy all the kingdoms of the world belong to you.
Just a thought.
spiritual 'pharisaical legal text' makes you 'accountable' if you attend a jw 'judicial committee'.
'regular' jw's attending a 'judicial committee' automatically and without realising it, both admit to a 'wrongdoing' and 'subject themselves' to jw .org-inisation 'elders'.. it has also been well-documented that jw .org is 'coming after long--term inactive ones, that are causing 'divisions'.. there is a greater emphasis being put on 'shunning' those labelled with 'apostate' (behaviour).. the 'slanderous' naming and shaming of (former) members who have questioned the jw.
org-inisation is relentlessly being propagated in both publications and their gatherings, such as their ironically named 'love never fails' 2019 convention.. ironically, the scriptures they often refer to such as the one at titus 3:10 the original greek word hairetikos, which is translated to the the word “heretic,.
Hi Finkelstein - yes I totally agree. And if this were the Middle Ages they'd be happy to murder people who didn't agree with their apostasy to Christianity. While all the time claiming to do the will of the God of Abraham - which they are NOT doing.
that's the one thing they all have in common.
because as soon as you are aware that you are in one, you would of course leave it,.
so millions of people all over the world are in them and but of course are ignorant of this fact.. i was asked many times over the years in field service, the question.
They fiddle with words and use semantic shift - yes mind control. They do conjuring tricks with words. They tell very clever lies that are designed to trap the unwary. They are a man-trap for Christians. Here's a YouTube I did touching on the subject
personally i think it is 1914 and the following " this generation " doctrine.. this particular doctrine went right against jesus's own words of " no one knows of the time not even he " .
he also admonished his true followers to not set a time upon god's own sacred time .. the leaders of the wts even back to the late 1800's set a time calculated on their own theology 1874 being the first time set and proclaimed by c t russell, also proclaiming 1914 would likely be the year of the final day of judgment armageddon.
all throughout the 20th century the wts held to this doctrine but was eventually revised of course when it was realized this generation had passed away who saw the events of 1914. .
They are alluding to the body of Christ though. And I'm guessing its an old idea like the body politic spoken of in Shakespeare.
A body is made up of organs, then they use the word 'organisation' as if this body of people are related by contract/work obligations rather than brotherly love.
personally i think it is 1914 and the following " this generation " doctrine.. this particular doctrine went right against jesus's own words of " no one knows of the time not even he " .
he also admonished his true followers to not set a time upon god's own sacred time .. the leaders of the wts even back to the late 1800's set a time calculated on their own theology 1874 being the first time set and proclaimed by c t russell, also proclaiming 1914 would likely be the year of the final day of judgment armageddon.
all throughout the 20th century the wts held to this doctrine but was eventually revised of course when it was realized this generation had passed away who saw the events of 1914. .
Hi Finkelstein - ever considered that that clay tablets could be faked by poor people digging in Babylon and getting paid good money by some wealthy Europeans? Just a thought. Dates may not be all they are cracked up to be.
personally i think it is 1914 and the following " this generation " doctrine.. this particular doctrine went right against jesus's own words of " no one knows of the time not even he " .
he also admonished his true followers to not set a time upon god's own sacred time .. the leaders of the wts even back to the late 1800's set a time calculated on their own theology 1874 being the first time set and proclaimed by c t russell, also proclaiming 1914 would likely be the year of the final day of judgment armageddon.
all throughout the 20th century the wts held to this doctrine but was eventually revised of course when it was realized this generation had passed away who saw the events of 1914. .
Saying the number 19 is followed by the number 2.
Jerusalem fell in 19th year of Nebuchadnezzar. They say the year that followed the 19th year of Nebuchadnezzar was the 2nd year of Nebuchadnezzar. (Dan 2:1)
Oh and saying the number 3 is the number 11 (Dan 1:1).
1914 rests on this twaddle as does the GB's authority.
spiritual 'pharisaical legal text' makes you 'accountable' if you attend a jw 'judicial committee'.
'regular' jw's attending a 'judicial committee' automatically and without realising it, both admit to a 'wrongdoing' and 'subject themselves' to jw .org-inisation 'elders'.. it has also been well-documented that jw .org is 'coming after long--term inactive ones, that are causing 'divisions'.. there is a greater emphasis being put on 'shunning' those labelled with 'apostate' (behaviour).. the 'slanderous' naming and shaming of (former) members who have questioned the jw.
org-inisation is relentlessly being propagated in both publications and their gatherings, such as their ironically named 'love never fails' 2019 convention.. ironically, the scriptures they often refer to such as the one at titus 3:10 the original greek word hairetikos, which is translated to the the word “heretic,.
Hi Blondie - yes exactly - one of the 5 elders they set on me, asked me if I still identified as one of Jehovah's Witnesses. I replied I stood firm with the words of the Jehovah's Witness called the prophet Daniel. They really didn't like that. They honestly think Jehovah's Witnesses only came about in 1914. They do not identify with the prophet Daniel and the other descendants of Jacob.
I pointed out that the most important descendants of Jacob, was Jesus Christ and I stood firm with him too.
They came very close to saying that the prophet Daniel is not channel Jehovah is using today and that if the GB said Jesus was not the Son of God they'd believe them. In fairness to them they just caught themselves in time, but only just.
So in my absence, 5 men carried out an unwarranted judicial. They were totally ignorant on what the Bible says and refused point blank to open the Bible and examine the matter (which is written up here on a website I did for the GB - http://olam30.co.uk/key/d01_explanation.php). They found me guilty of apostasy for sticking firmly to the words of the prophet Daniel and refusing to change the words in the Bible.
What I mean by that is if Jerusalem fell in the 19th year of Nebuchadnezzar, you can't say the following year was the 2nd year of Nebuchadnezzar (Dan 2:1). Also its a bit much asking us to believe that King Jehoiachin of Judah had an 8th year of rulership (2 Kings 24:12), when only ruled for 3 months and 10 days. Also I refuse to believe that King Jehoiakim of Judah had both a complete and an incomplete reign (Dan 1:1). And for saying this and saying I am certain I am right, one elder has called me irrational.
Anyway, the CoBE got up on the platform this Thursday and said I was not longer one of Jehovah's Witnesses. Well ok, in one way that term only refers to the descendants of Jacob, but to the congregation it means they think I am no longer Christian. It was a cruel, mean and nasty thing to do. But they did it to my friend Ray Franz and I am not surprised they did it to me.
Oh and at least two elders did look at the scriptures with me privately. They agreed I was right and didn't dare speak up because of what might be done to them.
Remind me what's the name of this year's convention?
